yeah, i know, it's just interesting.
and of course there's a glass ceiling. people keep telling us it's gone, but it's still there...
there's also the old boy's club too: that gets all sorts of people, not just women
ever wonder why the relative of a friend of a chairperson (or the actual child of the chairperson themself) seems to go farther with things... I know that's really cynical, but they're documenting it really happening in life. I can't even imagine. Sure, you can be an honours student with all sorts of community service and people skills etc., but because you don't know Bob, the guy at the top, someone with far more mediocre marks and credentials (but oh, the connections) will get the position instead of you.

it's true in every industry, getting your foot in the door is the hardest part, and it's all about who you know and who you are yourself; and less so about what you know or how much experience you have



true enough about the "pursuing a degree" phrase too... my mom started out pursuing a degree in science, but she opted not to continue when one of her profs announced to the class that only half of them were going to pass, and that none of them would be women. (I mean, really, who the fuck does that?) so eventually, it was arts, and French that she finished up in.

Count me in for tomorrow's movie action.

Thats all 3 leaders with a flames Jersey now. Plus Jack likens his party to the flames... little guys fighting from the bottom.

59% of the students pursuing graduate degrees in law, medicine and business are now (1998) women

don't get me wrong, i think that's absolutely wonderful, but i hardly think there's any butt-kicking or ante'ing that need take place because Professional Women will more than readily tell you about the glass ceiling they face everyday. stats like this can be a bit misleading in that of the 60% how many complete their degree and still remain in occupational positions subordinate to men?
i haven't any numbers to draw from but i'm more than certain institutional patriarchy is still ever present.

by the way, what does "pursuing" a degree in law or medicine mean? if it means getting my B.A in Sociology, fuck i should have been telling my parents i was in Pre-Law years ago.

thanks Beck,

I'd figured as much, I just thought it was a little odd that the only stats about education weren't directly about men, considering it was a male fraternity site and all... you know... plus I'm now continuously exposed to feminist ideals, so I've noticed that my radar's a little touchy about those sorts of subjects.

Hey by the way, congrats to the guys and dolls graduating this year, I know Parrrrrrrrrrrahs is today and maawy and Alyisssson is tomorrow. Those I've missed, congrats also.

Alison: probably taking things too far :)

5 minutes? Is that to the Mikey Blackson? You should have yelled to me outside I would have come back in, at least to see you fall off the pool table, maybe a little stunting of my own. But yes fun had by all at the punk rock bingo night... even thought that night I walked away empty handed, the joy of watching Andy arise victorious with the push-ups... Then Ngz those were some good kumballs. Betcha can't have only one... I know I couldn't.

Hey anyone know how we're getting to sparta tonight?


Finally... next week...Tuesday night...

THE CORE!!!!!

Let me or andy know if any are interested.

If I've learned anything from my father it is this:

that freedom of speech is incredibly important, but also incredibly controlled,
so that it becomes almost a myth.

oh, and: that wherever you go, you are being watched.


huzzah.

so... do what you want, but always be aware that things may not come out as you had wished
and that people are always watching you.

it's interesting how a person can take the same information in so many different ways...
the following comes from a male fraternity web page that nolonger exists:

Consider This...
- There has been more information produced in the last 30 years than during the previous 5000
- Since 1983, the United States and Canadian work world has added 45+ million computers
- The Nintendo Gameboy has more computing power than the fastest Cray Supercomputer of only 25 years ago. (The Cray was used by Strategic Air Command to control the U.S. nuclear arsenal.)
- Only 16 of the biggest companies at the beginning of the 1900's still exist today.
- During the 1980's, 230 companies, 46%, disappeared from the Fortune 500 list
- 59% of the students pursuing graduate degrees in law, medicine and business are now (1998) women
- Although the test scores of women entering college and the workforce in math and science have consistently increased over the past 10 years, test scores for men in reading and language have actually gone down.

So, ordinarily, I'd look at a list of facts and go "that's interesting." But you put on the filters, and suddenly this list is a little more than just "interesting." All this talk about the hyper technologization and extremely fast advancement of our world, followed by a brief discussion about how the world's companies are changing/disappearing sort-of creates an alarmist feeling. And then... the facts that women are taking over, and that where men used to exceed, women are now kicking their butts, and pushing them out of other areas as well. Well, how am I supposed to take that? Should men reading this now feel like they need to up the ante, start learning more/doing better, or are they supposed to blame things on women? It was almost like "the world is changing, companies are changing, watch out boys, you might not have a future"

or am I just taking things too far? . . .