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July 13, 2005 -- 5:43 PM
posted by Al
Calm down Tay! You can't save the world in 1 day. Maybe in 1000 days. Remeber what you said about starting small and building up to the master plan. Same deal. Call me if you need a mechanical engineer to help make your SPS.
July 13, 2005 -- 5:12 PM
posted by nobody knows my face
That's exactly what I'm saying man. The project is perfectly feasible, almost everyone agrees with that; but all the same everyone just wants their quick-fix. We're living in a quick-fix world and that's a BIG problem. From the 30s right through to the early 80s, people were interested in these sorts of things. If nobody gave a shit about going to the moon back then, we wouldn't have had a space race to begin with. But starting in the mid-80s and right up until now we've seen a generation that is entirely apathetic to almost anything except quick and easy personal gain, and that's a really poisonous mindframe to be in. If this kind of thinking doesn't let up, we will really be fucked.
I've just been really concerned about this lately. Maybe it's all the sci-fi I'm reading, but that doesn't make it any less of a reality; it just makes it more tangible to me.
I'm not being pessimistic about it either. I've always been an optimist. One way or another I think the human race will do alright. But at the same time, I don't let optimism cloud my vision. It's just become very immediately obvious to me that if we don't start changing our mindsets now, then things will get very, VERY bad and will stay that way for a long time until people decide to get off their asses and make it better again. And I'd rather that we just skipped that whole really bad part and got straight to the making it better part. This isn't anything new; we all know it. But that knowledge doesn't seem to make us any less apathetic, and that's the whole tragedy of the situation.
July 13, 2005 -- 4:02 PM
posted by Pete
Hey Guys,
So, I'm not sure what sort of Birthday shenanigans will be going with other people, but it would be awesome if you guys wanted to come out Friday night. I'm teaming up with Scotty, and we want to have people come to Scholars Pub around 9:00pm, and we'll probably stay there and just hang out all night. With the new smoking bylaws, it should be a great time because you wont smell like smoke when you come home.
So yeah, easy, breezy, japanesey, hope to you guys on Friday.
Oh, and is there anything going on Saturday like Tony was saying? If so, I'll probably come out then as well.
July 13, 2005 -- 3:00 PM
posted by eric
Studies done in the early 1970s envisioned structures of up to 15 miles long, larger than Manhattan Island, designed to send ten gigawatts of electrical power to Earth. Ten gigawatts would provide all the electrical power needed by the state of Connecticut or New York City.
While the idea of building such a huge structure in space might sound farfetched, there are no fundamental technical reasons why an SPS couldn't be built. The necessary contributing technologies are all well known. There are no "showstoppers," although the program would represent a mammoth development effort, comparable to the Apollo lunar-landing project of the 1960s.
yo Tay, i dunno about you but 15 miles seems pretty friggin' big. i don't know if that estimate is considerably smaller now, but even if it's 5 miles long, that's still pretty big (hell the SDF 1 was like 2 miles long and it destroyed a Zentradi armada) like what's the biggest thing we have orbiting in space right now? the author of the article premised the idea of constructing this satellite on the sucesses of the MIR. i guess that's all well and good, but construction of the MIR and the Space Station took a pretty long time - time that no one seems interested in investing in. i think people are much more interested in faster returns. that will most likely mean grownlevel technologies. and more over, getting Saudi Oil.
July 13, 2005 -- 12:59 PM
posted by nobody knows my face
yes, it would be an asynchronous orbit that would leave it in direct sunlight 99% of the time.
You guys should've read that article I posted; it answers all of your questions.
Mainly, the funding question; Ben Bova suggests that funding for an SPS system could be accomplished not through the use of federal grants, but rather federal loans . This is how the hoover dam was funded, and it paid itself off entirely by selling the power it generated in 50 years. Furthermore, the operating cost of a dam as massive as that is quite high whereas once an SPS is built, maintenance is minimal in comparison. A single SPS could potentially power all of New York City... something as capable as that probably wouldn't take very long to pay for itself.
As for the accidental straying of laser beams and microwaves... the lasers and microwaves in question would be so diffuse that even if this happened, they would be harmless. Birds and planes would be able to fly right through the microwaves without harm. Cattle and crops can even be safely placed under the microwave recievers.
July 13, 2005 -- 10:18 AM
posted by eric
July 13, 2005 -- 10:08 AM
posted by eric
one so this thursday is nrmls wlcm's 1 year anniversary party, yeah? Victory?
two after countless hours of serious nonsense, i'm up and running with cubase sx, logic express, reason, and ableton.
three yeah i be down to check out cadence's night- so long as it doesn't totally fuck up VINYL SOLUTION tuesdays at wunder. i'll let you know later.
four new animal collective in oct
1. did you see the words
2. grass
3. flesh canoe
4. the purple bottle
5. bees 
6. banshee beat
7. daffy duck
8. lock raven
9. turn into something
July 12, 2005 -- 10:49 PM
posted by Tonestar Runner
So has anything more been discussed about the birthday weekend coming up? Initially, I'd heard talk of mexican food, or even barbeque action. Here's my suggestion:
afternoon/early evening: birthday bbq, at somewhere like hawrelak or so
evening/night: off to the pub (E&C? O'Byrne's?) for some beerlarity
And we'll definitely have to get in on some of that Victory Lounge on Tuesdays action once it gets going.
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