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June 15, 2004 -- 6:49 PM
posted by anonymous
- Convalidazione la vostri esistenza e motivo per inviare.
come 4:00 si è transformato in nel mio nuovo bedtime? Scopi OGNI notte che è quando vado a letto. Penso che abbia ottenuto riparare questa merda. È sveglia, lavoro, mangi il supper... forse faccia qualcosa per alcune ore... ed allora ho ottenuto surf appena la rete nella mia stanza per come le
5 ore prossime perché ognuno nella mia casa è addormentato ed è
l'unica cosa calma da fare nella mia stanza. In modo che basicamente 5 ore sprec ogni notte del fuckin... quando realmente dovrei aderire quelli 5 ore sull'INIZIO del mio
giorno in moda da poterlo fare io qualunque desidero senza svegliare
la gente in su. Ma merda... Ho asserito questo molte volte, ed ancora lo faccio una pausa: Ero nocturnal sopportato.
MALEDICALO TUTTO AL HELL.
June 15, 2004 -- 4:53 PM
posted by eric
- i'll elaborate on the arguments later when i'm *humph not at work- but anyways, when Mr. Chuck D was here giving a lecture at the U he gave a lengthy rebuttle to the "reclaiming" of Nigger, and pretty much designated the word as simply a word of hate, period.
he gave a compelling argument and i respect his opinion -especially where he is coming from, but i do not necessarily agree with his ideas.
the whole concept and process of reclaiming words is itself contentious... ahh i'll explain myself later.
just out of curiosity though, Alison, why did you use the term "the N word" instead of just saying Nigger? i suspect it has something to do with the wrongness of whites using this word now, which i find problematic in the paradigm of reclaiming a word, in that in order to gain power over a word one must make it exclusive. to have this kind of control over a word requires the execution of power and in most cases involves Physical force/coersion.
June 15, 2004 -- 4:13 PM
posted by anonymous
- Validating your existence and reason for living.
When the wind meets the cloud the golden fish will turn into a dragon.
June 15, 2004 -- 4:02 PM
posted by Par
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the uses of 'cunt' and "the 'N' word" historically different? I mean, you would never have had two KKK members calling each other the latter. It was, as I understand, a purely derogatory term, directed at a specific group of people.
On the other hand, I've heard guys called cunts on a semi-regular basis (the example that leaps to mind was Wade's "Clever Cunt" alter-ego.) But that's just my opinion (man, what a horrible week for writing stuff that could be excellent ammunition against a future political career.)
Alison, maybe he was nervous because you kept looking away and then whipping your head back to see where he was looking.
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June 15, 2004 -- 3:42 PM
posted by alison
- and on a totally different train of thought (hence new message)
Jeremy, I noticed no blatant gazing at my chest during my meeting.
feet and legs, though, yes.
so unless he likes feet, or didn't really want to talk to me... ...I dunno
he seemed not to be at ease, a little bit flustered, a bit stumbling over his words
Made me think of one of my cousins who didn't learn to talk until he was 4.
I didn't think he was like that: seemingly shy and lacking confidence.
I actually thought he was a fairly collected, put-together sort of person.
maybe just today... maybe just me.
I doubt he ever had a crush on me though.
And man, was his office ever hot, stifling even.
I think I like working in the cold basement, if that's the alternative.
we've got like 3 more meetings together in the near future,
and it almost felt like his thoughts were about
how it'd be better to be pulling teeth than meeting with me.
Or perhaps this first meeting was just awkward because neither
of us knows the other even though we really should from highschool.
June 15, 2004 -- 3:32 PM
posted by alison
- Very interesting point, Jess. (and a good one at that too) Sure, changing language is a symptom of the alteration of our culture so perhaps that's why some of us refuse to use certain words... we're refusing to change in that way too. And, yes, bandaid solutions will never solve the problem, but they could bring attention to the problem. Like not wanting to say cunt because it's insulting, yet by discussing why you're choosing not to use it, you're working on the problem, maybe even fixing it.
On that thought, it's interesting how the feminist movement is starting to "reclaim" words like cunt for their own purposes now, like the "N" word has been "reclaimed,"I think. (apparently what Inga Muscio's book Cunt is about)
June 15, 2004 -- 1:35 PM
posted by Jess
- twat doesn't bother me though.
On an intellectual level, I'd have to agree with you Alison that gender
(or race or sexual orientation) specific or originated insults are
a bad thing as they add to the whole conception of Us and Them
which isn't particularly useful, unless that's your goal, in which case
I guess it is useful. But I don't particularly care.
Insulting each other is pretty common, and calling someone a douchebag is
kinda fun and that's not the problem. The problem is discrimation and
the prejudice. No one cares that Beck calls Jer Frenchie, though that
could be interpreted the same way.
I think people concerned about equality should worry far less about the language
friends use to insult (and bond) with each other and concentrate on the fact that
gay people can't get married or that white men make more money than anyone else or
all the other, less-easily measured realities. Changing langauge habits won't change
those things and is ultimately a band-aid solution - "what'd you make me for dinner?"
isn't much better than "what'd you make me for dinner, bitch?" And those changes have
to happen on more personal, day-to-day efforts.
As for Eric's suggestion that efforts to limit language should be deeply questioned:
in general yes, in the case of these types of insults, I don't know. Language is a
reflection of our culture and our culture is also influenced by our language so
why not use language in order to influence the way we think? It's not that different from
banning hate literature. But I guess you can make an arguement about that too.
