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April 30, 2005 -- 6:02 PM
posted by Al
Yeah I saw that Fifth Estate episode a few months ago. Coulter and O'Reily seem to be very opinionated and only get there way by yelling and lying so much that everything they say seems true. I can't stand O'Reily who yells at everyone and they back down. I swear the only way to win a arguement with that guy is to either beat the tar out of him and then do a interview, or have a stack of documents and evidence so thick that he has to back down. Well I'm probally not a good person to be a candidate for a journalist.
April 30, 2005 -- 2:42 PM
posted by Par
Actually, the reason I brought it up was because the Fifth Estate was nice enough to post the whole documentary online. And because I think O'Reilly and Coulter are hilarious.
That site you link to with Ann Coulter's response has this long discussion about how, technically, Canadians went to Vietnam and how there were Canadian troops in Iraq. The point of that part of the interview, though, seems completely lost. Her premise was that Canada used to be a good friend, and sent troops to Vietnam. Her backtracking was "well, there were Canadians that served in Vietnam." These two are not the same thing. The former implies government policy, declaration of war, national commitment, etc. Saying that Canada helped out with Vietnam is like saying that the US was involved in World War II beginning in 1939. Americans were involved, but for the US, the war didn't start until 1941.
Of course, this is why she wins. She makes some ridiculous claim, backpeddles to the edge of technical correctness, and, when people get sick of trying to keep up with the backpeddling, she smirks and says "I win", and somehow has defended the original ridiculous claim.
O'Reilly, on the other hand, is just an egomaniacal nut. He believes himself to be a war hero (for reporting from the field), an award-winning journalist (because Inside Edition, which he used to host, won an award after he left), an economic power (because he thinks he single-handedly destroyed France's economy), and a crusader for the little guy (because he's from the poor part of Manhattan.) I think he even once claimed he was a league leading placekicker with his college football team, even though football was a club activity (not a varsity sport) at his college when he was there, and no one kept any records of the club games. Never mind that he makes up most of what he says.
As for Crossfire, it's still on for the time being, but Tucker isn't on it. I do give Tucker credit, though, in that he is a smart, analytical, realistic guy (I've seen him in other venues being more fair to/critical of both sides in the US). This might make him worse, though, because this means he knows when he's bullshitting. He also brings out the asshole when it suits what he's on TV to do (ie. antagonize Paul Begala, piss off Carolyn Parrish, etc.)
April 30, 2005 -- 1:26 PM
posted by nobody knows my face
SHIIIIIIIITT. I finally got my convocation cancelled so I can register for classes... and now the class I needed to take for the Fall Term already is booked solid. FUUUUUUCKK.
April 30, 2005 -- 1:01 PM
posted by edo
I noticed that Paras picked up on that Fifth Estate piece on Fox news. I didn't think that anyone here had noticed it. It got quite a bit of attention back when it was aired in January. Not to mention that the CBC has aired it several times since then - Which some would say is enough evidence to reveal some sort of CBC anti-american (or at least anti-fox) stance. Although I think a lot of attention for the show came from Americans who enjoyed watching Ann Coulter blurt out something that made her look stupider than usual.
Anyways, the CBC doesn't link (Fifth Estate site) to Ann's response. (I used to have all these freaking video's downloaded back when it was all happening...but all I can find are transcripts online)
Ann Coulter's response to Sticks and Stones
Also, the CBC edits the Bill O'Reilly response on that Fifth Estate site with their own commentary... the best video clip I could find of the real O'Reilly Factor response is here (but even this one is edited) Once again... I had the original video's but I can't find then online anymore. Bill and Rachel Marsden talk a bit about how CBC has barely any viewership and isn't influencial in the lives of Canadians... basically just bad mouth the CBC. Apparently Bill has invited the host of Fifth Estate to be on the O'Rielly Factor and visa versa... no takers on either side.
As for other stuff that probably contributed towards the 'stand-off-ish-ness'... the video at this link looks a little at Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson bad mouthing Canada back when Bush visted Eastern canada last year. (Includes guest appearances by Carolyn Parrish!!!)
Oh, and I know how lots of you folks are Tucker Carlson fans... so here is a link with him 'chatting' with Jon Stewart. Is Crossfire still on? I generally don't expose myself to the american media unless it makes it's way into the Canadian scene (ie most of the topic of this post). You kids with cable, or the ones that watch the Daily show would probably be able to tell me.
April 30, 2005 -- 12:49 PM
posted by Pam
Well if we are wishing Kirsten Dunst Happy Birthday
I think it is only right to do this. . .
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SCOTTY!!!!!
April 30, 2005 -- 12:42 PM
posted by eric
snap Jere, UNFLAPPABLE!!!
no actually that one deserves my new favourite MSG Board reply:
"You're fuckin' hero!!"
from unicorns.board
April 30, 2005 -- 11:39 AM
posted by Jere
By the way happy birthday to kirsten dunst:
Shit, we can't forget your other favorite girl:
April 30, 2005 -- 11:26 AM
posted by Jere
Taylor it's your birthday...
Happy birthday Taylor...
Taylor it's your birthday...
Happy birthday taylor...
it works better with lisa but you get the point
